The UGP Podcast
The UGP Podcast
Ep. 58 | Live From Augusta: What is UGP Tour? Leo & Rian Chab On How UGP Ended Up at The Olympics & Ryder Cup
What exactly is UGP Tour? In this special episode recorded at Augusta National during Masters week, Leo and Rian Chab pull back the curtain on one of golf's most innovative performance teams.
From humble beginnings in a tiny Los Angeles fitness space to supporting major champions on the game's biggest stages, Rian shares the remarkable evolution of UGP's tour division. You'll discover how their team of "black shirt ninjas" (as Xander Schauffele calls them) provides integrated fitness and recovery services to elite players like Collin Morikawa and Min Woo Lee.
The conversation explores fascinating aspects of Augusta National's mystique – from its underground tunnel network to its strict protocols – while explaining the complex logistics of supporting tour players across a global schedule. Rian reveals the stark differences between training amateurs versus professionals, noting how tour players' extreme sensitivity to performance impacts creates unique challenges.
You'll gain insights into team dynamics at the Ryder Cup, Presidents Cup, and Olympics, plus hear candid reflections on what it's like building relationships with the world's best golfers. Whether you're curious about career paths in golf performance, interested in the inner workings of professional tournaments, or simply want to understand what those uniformed staff members do for players, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into a rarely discussed aspect of the professional game.
Curious to learn more about bringing elite-level training to your own golf game? Visit UGP's website to find a location near you and experience the same performance approach that's helping top players excel on tour.
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All right, welcome back to the UGP podcast. We are here in Augusta for a special episode and we have Ryan Chobb on the podcast this week, and I thought we could start where we are now and talk about that first, and then we can go back in time and talk a little bit more about how UGP Tour was started and your journey with UGP, ryan. But we are in a house in Augusta, georgia, it's Monday and it's raining. It basically got rained out today, a little bit of practice in the morning and then Colin and Minwoo Lee, who are our players this week, basically got a day off because the course closed. Let's start with this week, ryan, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for having me on the podcast first Feeling good this week. It's always good to come back to Augusta, this special place, and this is our third year on tour out here now, so I'm feeling good about the week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess we could have done this podcast after the tournament. So we don't know how it's going to end up, but it's exciting because Minwuli just won in Houston yeah, that was fun. So he's coming in with great form and, like Ryan said, this is our third year in a row at Augusta. It's always a special place and it's always an interesting week. To figure out logistically, we're living in a house, that's we just looked it up it's $135,000 to purchase and we're paying five grand for the week yeah, but about five and a half. It's in a great location, just South of the course, so it's easy to come in and out and so it kind of is is very functional, but it's an interesting place. What's the most interesting place about Augusta?
Speaker 2:Hmm, what's the most interesting place about Augusta? Probably the environment outside of Augusta. It just seems like it's stuck in time a little bit. Then you have Augusta national that has every amount dollar spent on making it pristine, and once you get outside the gates it's potentially the exact opposite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it is. Uh, we were talking about it on the way here. Uh, we were talking about whether it has actually gotten gentrified or not. Uh, but yeah, it's, um, it's a beautiful, uh, it's a beautiful place and there's so many myths about, I guess, the national, that and, and a lot of them are true, um, and so the experience that we get behind the scenes is pretty special for every year. Uh, we get to see kind of what's happening, um, beyond the, the tv cameras, which is, uh, it's an honor to to be able to experience, um, yeah, so you're saying the most interesting thing is the contrast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think the contrast of it of the two. Like driving through the town, you would not expect to have Augusta National right behind some walls. Yeah, yeah, if you were to look at the environment of Augusta. Totally the contrast. For sure, yeah, but I would assume all the volunteers are from the area, like the security guards when we walk in. They're some of the nicest people. Yeah, that we've come across on tour and it's the same crew every year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think if you get one of those posts, you just you never stop. Yeah, it's the same individuals in every single part of so, like if you get a volunteering job, I guess that doesn't look like you're moving an inch from that position. Yeah, and they stay in those positions for decades. I think there is a lot of volunteers actually from coming from all over the country. Uh, at least on the course, um, because remember that guy on 50 who's been there every year. He comes from like or something like that, and so because they get to play after this week. So I think it's a pretty attractive gig, attractive job for sure. So, yeah, no, it's going to be an awesome week. My master's week is always fun. It's very different from most weeks. Our regular credentials don't work. It's uh, you know, it's basically like its own tournament. Uh, in every single way right, it's not really structured or, uh, planned out as a regular PGA Tour tournament.
Speaker 2:And each player can only bring in two support staff.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's less player support Way less, and they have their own physio tent. It's the nicest of the year, basically, in terms of tent. You can't make a tent nicer than that. No, in terms of tent.
Speaker 2:You can't make a tent nicer than that. No, this tent has carpets and molding around the bottom of the tent and a plant in the middle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the soft flooring is a nice touch, and then the gym is really nice.
Speaker 2:And it's also getting an upgrade next year. Yeah, that's what nice touch. And then the gym is really nice and it's also getting an upgrade next year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what you said. They're building a whole new Masters Clubhouse, basically for the players.
Speaker 2:Last year there wasn't an underground parking, but they built that from last year to this year. Yeah, and they have a whole new parking structure underneath where the players park and then above. That is where the new I guess Masters Clubhouse is going to go, just for the one event. That's right.
Speaker 1:The regular clubhouse obviously will still be there for the members, but, yeah, the resources are not um limiting. And uh, I mean, that's one of the myths about you, about, about, I guess that is that there's underground tunnels everywhere and we don't really know the the scope of it. But we saw a new one today. That is the parking lot under the current player parking lot and it's just this like big tunnel, like a road that goes into under the underground, which is like, yeah, that's normal, you see that, but at a golf course it's kind of rare to just have a tunnel and you see that over by closer to the clubhouse, there's another tunnel that comes up, and so, from what I understand, they don't like golf carts above ground or any transportation above ground, and so they built these tunnels. But we don't know the extent of it, and so they built these tunnels but we don't know the extent of it.
Speaker 1:We also heard that if you break the rules on the grounds, for example, if you bring your phone in, there's basically, you know, I guess, the national police that will take you in and you go underground. I don't have this confirmed, but that's the word. And they don't take it lightly, because if you violate the rules. Whoever owned that ticket gets in trouble. Yeah, and then if you're a player support and you break the rules, they will go to the player.
Speaker 1:I believe, yeah, I think so that's what happened last year they'll notify the player and say hey, your coach or trainer broke a rule and I mean, we've heard of them people being banned. Yeah, that happened last year and so, yeah, it's an interesting. You gotta navigate a lot of different things with, uh, with phones, and with uh, computers and cameras and, um, the rules are strict, but, uh, it's also what makes it really you know yeah prestigious and fun. So how did we end up here?
Speaker 2:UGP Tour or Augusta.
Speaker 1:Augusta.
Speaker 2:Well, Kalamurakawa, basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the short answer. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The short answer Been working with him since he was at cal 2018. You're good with years 2018 june 2018.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's coming up on, uh, seven years. So, wow, wow, yeah, seven years. Why don't you, why don't you talk a little bit about your your journey with with UGP Cause you started in 2015.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 2015. The year before August, 3rd Training gym.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Uh mostly in LA, mostly gen pop, losing weight, gaining muscle. And I had a handful of celebrities and who was the coolest one Um worked with? Probably the one that most people would know is uh Matt Morrison. Um, he was on glee, oh, okay. So I started working with uh adam shankman. He's a professional dancer. Okay, he was on um a dance show. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, so I got introduced to a lot of people in his inner circle which were a lot of dancers and things that's. That's how I made a lot of those connections. But what was the? On the surface level, the, the celebrities seemed cool, but they were only in town for three months out of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, I had just taken anatomy in motion, which is a gate biomechanical course, and I wanted to start working with athletes, and at the time my fitness facility wasn't doing great but it wasn't doing bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I wanted to have a part time job, starting to do some sports performance, and I saw on Facebook someone who was with UGP at the time, evan Flock. He posted in a Facebook forum that UGP was looking for part-time trainers and I thought it was a perfect opportunity to start applying the biomechanics into a sport. Yeah, at this time I had no golf background. Yeah, didn't even know what a golf course looked like yeah, yeah so I reached out to evan.
Speaker 2:He put me in contact with mac and I had an interview with him and um it was just Evan at the time really training.
Speaker 2:It was just Evan, and I think Mac brought Evan in maybe six months before, and Evan brought a lot of people over from Equinox that weren't necessarily golfers, but at least the gym was getting filled. People were seeing people working out in the gym, to where his schedule was starting to get filled. So then we, ugp, needed to hire a part-time trainer, and when I interviewed with Mac I might've fibbed a little bit I told him I was doing a hundred sessions or 120 sessions a month, but that was a lie. Um, but when I had the interview, what was intriguing was he obviously gave me a tour and I immediately fell in love with the place. It was just this the music, the atmosphere, the environment. It wasn't big by any means, but you know, you know, mac, the way he describes things made it I don't want to say seem, because in reality it was bigger than what the 3,500 square feet that we had.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he was selling this huge dream when he was giving me this tour.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And long story short, he wanted to hire me full time, and which was a salary which I wasn't getting, a salary it was it was something that was very intriguing to my wife and I.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, that original space on Sepulveda. There was something about that space there was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I weirdly miss it.
Speaker 1:It was like intangible or something you can't describe. There was just this like vibe or energy in there every square foot was thought of yeah, and I'm sure if we went back now, you know it would. It's just it's true, it's a little bit nostalgia, but there was something pretty cool about that place and it was, you know, early in the industry.
Speaker 2:To do something like that, there wasn't a time it had this like home feeling yeah even though it was a place of business and and it was golf performance. But just the color of the wood, the couch that was right there when you first walked in the front desk didn't even feel like a front desk. It was sitting on turf. Yeah, and three parking spots. Three parking spots when we had to valet every person who drove in, yeah, and grab their bags and be on time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and at this time it was like basically a strip of you know what 25 feet, maybe, 30 feet long, maybe, yeah, 30 feet long times 12 feet wide.
Speaker 2:The inside of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the gym. Oh yeah, it was a small strip and it was very small, but that was U2P Fitness basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just a roll of rubber. Basically, yeah, whoever wide that is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then he wanted to hire you full-time, full-time, and it was a big decision. So, um, I actually closed down my we'll call it a business, but I wouldn't really yeah I was renting a space, but it wasn't like I had, yeah, a logo on the front of the door.
Speaker 1:It was mostly just word of mouth yeah and uh it's funny, exactly like me, exactly like man Right, very similar, where like wasn't killing it but wasn't doing poorly, just kind of it's hard right, it's hard to be on your own, it's very hard and there's no guarantee on anything and it's more stressful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the salary was definitely what intrigued my wife and I. It was consistent income. It was something to rely on. Yeah, I still kept some of the private clients that I had and trained them in my garage or drove to their house. So, yeah, the one stipulation I had for Mac was I have to keep yeah. I have to keep my private clients. I mean, you know this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And my schedule was built around the private clients that I had and you were going into it with that, which was very different. Yeah, it's very different.
Speaker 1:And I remember you had them for a little bit and they got fewer and fewer right over the years. I remember you had them for a little bit and they got fewer and fewer right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember telling Mac that I don't necessarily want to train them forever, it's just financially. It's something I have to do to provide for the family, and I believe in this vision.
Speaker 2:But until we expand this thing, then I'm going to have to see these people. Until we expand this thing, then I'm going to have to see these people. And and the schedule I had outside was what created the cloping schedule that we have now, cause I would I still know the schedule I'd come in Monday, wednesday, friday from open. Well, in the beginning stages we were there for 12, 14 hours a day basically yeah it was a different time. Yeah, have to be available to.
Speaker 1:Growth mode too, yeah, so basically 2015,. So you can almost you can divide it into two parts of the decade. So 2015 to 2020 was like the early days of growing, early days of growing. Ugp 2020 Santa Monica opened, yeah, and you transferred there to help open up yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, colin, going back to Colin, I can't remember exactly how it evolved, but I remember I did the first fitness assessment in 2018 and he was obviously a cow, so he was not coming down to us too often. Uh, we helped him set up, you know, basic warmup, like protocols, and and start working on with them remotely and in person. When he came in, um, when he was home, uh, in la, but um, then he went pro what 2020? End of 2019?
Speaker 2:he even had a small back problem not anything bad from dry. Yeah, in college he came down and I think that was my. I was always in the yeah, I was always in the assessments with you and Colin, but that was my first hands-on experience with with Colin and just building trust and and um, and then that continued a little bit remotely for for a while he would come into town, we would go to vegas.
Speaker 1:He moved out to vegas and then, uh, because he went pro that summer of 2019, I believe right and then he won. He won in the fall at Barracuda and then, obviously following season, he won PGA in 2020 and then won the British Open in 2021.
Speaker 2:And throughout this time just intermittently working with Colin every time he came in for Genesis he'd come into the facility for that week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then in 2022, you went out to a couple of tournaments. I can remember.
Speaker 2:It was US.
Speaker 1:Open at Torrey.
Speaker 2:I think US Open Torrey was the first one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It went down like a Tuesday Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then drove down Cause he was in contention, that's right. And just in case he needed anything, and so then, and then then Delaware BMW, I think was the following year. I went out for three, four days.
Speaker 1:That must've been the same year, 2022, because remember uh, he asked us basically end of 2022, like I need help on the road, and we were like fuck well, I was more excited than that.
Speaker 2:But but I understand, as logistically, like on paper, it's, it's cool to be traveling the world on tour, but but logistically it was a big. It was a big change for us also at the time you had been with udp I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, basically both of us have been with UGP for seven years or something like that, and so you know, we were both pretty obviously involved in the regular operations. So to go on the road, basically leave the facility, was hard to imagine for one player, but it was Colin. Hard to imagine for one player, but, uh, but it was Colin. So we were like, well, we got to figure this out.
Speaker 2:So we, we verbally committed obviously and I think it was that fall Colin's wedding right Um where we spoke.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was 2022. Yeah, I guess it must have been november 2022. So dominoes started to fall. Yeah, yeah, it was. It's crazy because it was his wedding. We obviously knew about kurt kitayama, but then we spent more time with him at the wedding there, and then that was on a saturday, and then we were like, hey, come in monday. He came in monday, um and uh, we basically said, hey, you know, we're gonna probably travel with colin. Do you want to join the team? He basically said yes. And so you know, we're going to probably travel with Colin. Do you want to join the team? And he basically said yes. And so then suddenly we had something going that could work out. And then we set up the structure and then, starting in January 2023, ugp Tour was really founded.
Speaker 2:Torrey Pines was the first tournament yeah and uh.
Speaker 1:You and I traveled to a lot of those you know west coast tournaments. Together did quite a bit of travel that first first year yeah and then, uh, it just kind of grew from there, and so we've learned that some people are wondering what UGP Tour is. What is it?
Speaker 2:What is it?
Speaker 1:Because for some people it's confusing, like we work with the players, but what do we do? How does it work? What's the structure? People want to know what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I wonder why people feel it's different than what's out there. I know.
Speaker 1:It is surprising but it's the reality. People, don't even some people from our team, you know we're over 60 people now. Like when Minwoo won, a lot of people didn't know that we were helping him really yeah, wow, but we sent out an email announcing Minwoo, we posted on Instagram, and we posted on instagram and we posted every from our, from our own people that come into our facilities yeah, but even also team members which is a bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we're not communicating that bad receipt from our uh for us, but uh, that's so.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm asking. That's like maybe the title of this episode is what is utp, tour, tour?
Speaker 2:I believe it's just an expansion of our business. Right it's yeah creating a team environment out on tour, where you said it in multiple podcasts before that there's a lot of individuals doing individual things for the best players in the world, helping players perform at their best.
Speaker 1:If everyone's talking amongst themselves about the, the common denominator which is wins and performance whether it's physical abilities, nutrition, hydration, putting ball striking, driving, it's it's all one conversation rather than five separate ones yeah, yeah, and I think we obviously we're known for our hospitality and service and our locations and um and the experience, so like every single minute of the experience is thought out and designed and planned out, and so we thought, you know, obviously we have to do that to the best of our ability on tour as well. Yeah, and so we're in, you know obviously, our uniform. We're the only team out here, which is still crazy for me to say. I feel like that's even individuals, don't really have a lot of branding.
Speaker 1:Crazy for me to say. I feel like that's um. Even individuals don't really have a lot of branding yeah so to say.
Speaker 1:So we are kind of the only team out here in that sense. And to go into the details, basically, this week at augusta, you know, we come in on a sunday. Basically, this week at Augusta we come in on a Sunday, we get two players. So it's very different from a normal week because now we have technically eight players on the PGA Tour. But just so that listeners and whoever is consuming this podcast, now we have this opportunity to explain exactly what a week looks like. To explain exactly what a week looks like. So, and in its simplest form, ugp Tour is providing primarily a fitness and physio service. So before and after every single round or practice session, we will treat the player on the table and go in the gym.
Speaker 2:Most of the time, yeah for a client-specific, player-specific warm-up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, after they're done, same procedure most of the time, most of the time, and that's it. That's that's what there's a lot of variables to that, but yeah, that's it yeah, so that's, um, basically roughly how schedule looks, and then you know, when we have five or six players it gets more hectic and we have to plan better and it's really hard because we want to provide a higher level service than what's been out here for so many years I think that's the big key so basically, it might be helpful to say this too the pga tour has their own physios.
Speaker 1:Slash kairos athletic trainers as well, I think think yeah, I know, corey's a Cairo. So players can get that service for free and they also have a dedicated van for it or trailer. And so you might ask, like, why wouldn't all players use that? Yeah Well, number one capacity issue. Not everyone can see them all the time because there are only a couple right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's usually two and there's one in the fitness trailer. So if it fields 144 players, it would be a long line. That would be tough to create a five-star service for.
Speaker 1:And then number two, the quality is not as high. I guess that's fair to say. I mean, yeah, they're just not as specialized. And so 25 years ago, players started bringing their own physios out on the pga tour and their own trainers and a lot of those guys that came out initially are still out here, and so these are the officials that we've gotten to know. And yeah, they came out 25 years ago and they've stayed out here.
Speaker 2:And we have a nice compared to them. Coming out 25 years ago, they would set their table up in the parking lot yeah because they were basically banned and not welcome, not welcomed yeah so they would set up in the parking lot and have their players on a table in the parking lot. No parking spaces, no food.
Speaker 1:These guys were not welcomed at all yeah, and then it took many years for the tour to realize like, okay, this is going to be the norm, like this is not going away. Players are going to, you know, they have the resources, they want to work with the physios and trainers that they used to work with, and so that's, you know, taking us to today and um, and so that's. And so now physios independent physios have access to some space. Every week now that can be the locker room in the clubhouse most of the the time. Sometimes it's a tent.
Speaker 2:It's not great but it's a lot better. The problem is, it's not. It's not the PGA that's creating the space, it's the tournament host for each tournament.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:So we try and give feedback at each location and some hosts are great, some hosts are resistance, resistant, resistant, and they don't have the space and but we've only been out three years and and the experience has already gotten better just in our three years.
Speaker 1:then, then, uh, yeah, you've been here at Augusta, I mean, the first year we were up on that and what's now?
Speaker 1:the caddy lounge above the range, which was just a crammed in room, small room yeah old building and now the tent is like probably the nicest tent, like we said, of the year, and so, yeah, they're making improvements, but sometimes, yeah, they just there's no space, and so that's why you could sometimes have, like, you know, scottish Shuffler, uh, laying on a table in a shower and you know, uh, rory McIlroy, you know, be two feet away on a different table because it's so tight. So we thought, well, it looks like this, like experience can improve, and so, um, that's what we're trying to do and it's going to take time, but one of the ways we're trying to do that now is we have two, you know, you know we have two physio full-time, so cory joined late last year, so you and cory travel full-time. That enables us to one one number one, cover more tournaments, but then, number two, go to some tournaments with both of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think one of the biggest problems is an independent physio or trainer can't work 48 tournaments.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:It's not physically possible. So they'll just take a week off, but their player or players will still be at a tournament solo. And that's, like you said, something that we thought, being a team that provides a specific service, could actually approve. Approve, so if I'm at, I'm at one tournament, at a signature event, and then cory can go to the opposite field event and we're covering all eight of our players yeah, at the same time yeah, yeah, and then when?
Speaker 1:when you're both at the same event, the players don't have to wait as much yeah and that's a big deal because you, you know some of these physios.
Speaker 1:They have seven, eight guys and they usually have kind of an open shop philosophy where you know, first come, first serve. So you could have a situation where you know Scott Schaeffler, jt, jordan Spieth and Adam Scott is in, is in the, you know, wants to go at the same time, yeah, and they all use the same physio, so three people have to wait, um, and so hopefully that's something that we can continue to improve as we grow it. But uh, but yeah so, but yeah so. Colin started it. Kerr was early to adopt and won at Bay Hill. It was huge First year and then it just players got added to the roster.
Speaker 1:Yeah, David Lipsky was always a big part of it Because he came into LA a long time ago was part of it because he came into LA a long time ago. And then Michael Thorbjornson, ics Alinda Carl Billups these players got added last year and this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, beginning of this year.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, the roster has just grown, which is super exciting, it's fun and it's an awesome team Minwoo Lee, obviously joining late last year as well and so, yeah, it seems like it's just going to continue to grow and we're going to continue to try to bring the UGP experience that we have in our locations out to the best players in the world, which is super exciting. Did we miss anything on what it is? Is that clear enough, do you think?
Speaker 2:I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the players you know pay us for that service. Yeah, and the players you know pay us for that service. But yeah, that's what it is. It's pretty straightforward. And then players have their coaches. You know, they can have short game coach, putting coach, swing coach those can be three different coaches, by the way, for one player and then mental coach and then, obviously, family agent. So we've gotten to know all these people, right, because each player has their own team and so, and we're just one part of the team, right. So that's another really important aspect of of the life out here, because it's not as easy as just like oh, here's the service, and that's it.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of communication. Communicating with the coaches is a huge part of our service out there. We want to understand what each player is working on, and the coach might not want specific body parts mobilized, or too strong or too weak, and I think that's a huge component of what we do is just over communicating with the coaches and making sure that we're all on the same page.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cause we are primarily responsible for one thing, which is basically the hardware that they're playing with, right, and the coach is refining that hardware by by coaching their software and um, but there's a lot of, but there's a lot of. There's a little bit of gray area as well, where we end up looking at a lot of golf swings and you know, we'll try and do whatever we can to improve the performance of the player, and there's this open, you know, dialogue between everyone on the team usually.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the more dialogue and everyone on the team usually, and the more dialogue and collaboration, the better usually. So that's a pretty dynamic yeah, pretty dynamic situation on each team.
Speaker 2:So there's each team being each player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you got the travel on top of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's a big thing.
Speaker 1:Planning the travel scheduling out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, for instance, when Corey joined.
Speaker 1:he's just a just a quick. So Corey Peterson was one of our recovery specialists who worked in our OC location for almost three years before joining UDP Tour. So just to clarify who Corey is.
Speaker 2:And, just like myself and probably like you, leo, we like having things structured, booked in advanced. He's the exact same way, which is great. But what was tough is players change their minds all the time about adding tournaments, dropping tournaments. So, with the example of us having two service providers at a tournament, if we have five or more players becomes important if Corey needs to book somewhere or I need to book somewhere. So a lot of the travel is last minute bookings. Last minute cancellations. Last minute bookings last minute cancellations.
Speaker 2:Last minute flight changes yeah so it's it's hard to book things so far in advance, because this it's a live animal.
Speaker 1:Things are constantly changing yeah, yeah, it's basically, you know, sunday to sunday. You pick up sunday late morning, midday, and then go to the next venue.
Speaker 2:If we have a player in contention we always would like to stay and show support. So usually our warm-ups are done anywhere. It depends on the tee times about when the broadcast airs. Sometimes it's done by three, sometimes they want it done by six. So first tee times sometimes it's seven or eight and we usually see the players two hours beforehand, roughly two hours. Some guys are an hour 40, some guys are two and a half hours, so on average it's about two hours. So we would need to be at the course at 6 am on a Sunday.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we might have someone in the leader group or just before who tees off at 10 or 11, and we need to see them at 9 o'clock. So we have to make sure our flights aren't too close to the tee time, so we're normally booking things later on in the day. It's it's like I said, it's a live animal. It's it's tough to deal with yeah, it's, uh, it's.
Speaker 1:It's not an easy puzzle, so so, to go back, you will go back in time a little bit. So you, you studied anatomy in motion. You got more and more technical as you went in and worked with primarily golfers right, a ugp, and then.
Speaker 2:Well, I wanted to be technical. Yeah, mac was like you gotta slam med balls. Come on tiger woods. You gotta make it feel like golf which, looking back now he's 100% right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I came in there with no understanding at the time of him trying to build this fitness department and prove to golfers that fitness mattered.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was looking at it like, well, this guy has back pain and knee pain and I can in theory see why he shouldn't be throwing a med ball. Yeah, that can help his golf golf game. So there was a lot of back and forth with mac and I not in a bad way, just um well, it's the.
Speaker 1:It's the combination of the technical and the and the experience and the perception of what it is right, which is really important, and actually a lot of smart technical people end up not working with enough people because they don't have that part of it. They're not able to create that experience or get good enough at sales actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if we're going to go back in time, that's one thing that I struggled with on my own, and having Mac around all the time really helped that part of my yeah. Yeah, same for me.
Speaker 1:I sucked at sales and then I just made it a point to study it. But then, yeah, and, by the way, so 2015 started in August. I started in June 2016. So at that time it was just you and me basically in fitness for quite a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. We didn't hire anybody else until the new space, right, yeah, yeah, and then we opened, obviously, the bigger gym in 2017.
Speaker 1:And we expanded and that's when you know we started working with the UCLA team. And we started kind of that was okay, like now that was a real gym. You know, the hallway in the old building was not a real gym and that obviously that was really when it took off. I mean, that was when UGP Fitness was taken to the next level.
Speaker 2:You didn't have to sell the thought of fitness as hard, because you were in an environment that allowed it to thrive.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Even though we did a lot of good work in that small, small space. But you're right, it was a lot easier when someone walked into that new gym and West LA and said, oh, I get it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then over the years just started working with more and more elite players, I don't know, just kind of organically TJ Vogel, you know, turn into UCLA, jonathan Garrick.
Speaker 2:Jonathan Garrick.
Speaker 1:Jonathan Garrick. He was one of the first guys that really believed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, like all these LPGA players too, started to. I don't know we don't have time to talk about like how all those connections came about, but I mean you end up working with a lot of LPGA. Connections came about, but I mean you end up working with a lot of lpga and then obviously on the pjs just has organically grown mostly out on on tour yeah um, but, um, but yeah, so that was, that was the evolution of, of, uh, utp fitness and kind of how it grew and how how it ended up.
Speaker 1:Um, you know out here because it's it's an interesting story, it's not and it's I guess it's kind of common where coaches, tour coaches, physios, they, they work with one one player and if they become like high-level tour players they end up out here somewhere or another. It's kind of a common way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're seeing a lot more physios come out the same way we did. You have a player's trust. They want you out there and then you come out, the physio there's probably four or five physios that have come out since we started that come out with one player and then try to build a roster based on that one player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then it's like word of mouth, like any business, really a lot of word of mouth. And then the agents play a big role, huge role. Coaches obviously play a big role, but agents end up playing almost a bigger role because sometimes coaches only have one or two players. Agents can sometimes, you know, if one of their players go to a certain physio or coach. They have a tendency to prefer.
Speaker 2:It's also a very, very small world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's a lot of money in that world, in that small world, so there's some competition and we've felt that right, coming out here as kind of young guns, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you could feel it.
Speaker 1:Some people call us the black shirts Ninjas, ninjas, ninjas. That's what's stuck now. Yeah, was that Kisner? Kisner said black shirts, right.
Speaker 2:Kis and Xander. Yeah, ninjas.
Speaker 1:That's a compliment, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sneaking in the shadows is how he would say. Yeah is how he would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so technically, what's the biggest difference? Working with regular golfers and then the tour players? If we're going to get into the details of the work, what's the biggest difference, do you feel like?
Speaker 2:I think there's there's. So with amateurs, when someone comes in as an 18 handicap, you can be the manager of their development. Hey, I, you. I think you should be doing this three times a week. This is what the golf coach prescribes exercises and drills and when you get out on the pro level, it's their choice if they want to do it or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They, once they have trust in you. Like Colin, if I ask him to do something because I think it's going to help him, as long as he understands it, he's like done, I'll do it. If I ask him to do seven days a week, two times a day, because I? Because if he believes in me and in describing why I think it's going to help, he'll do it yeah but it's still his decision at the end. I guess technically's going to help he'll do it. Yeah, but it's still his decision at the end.
Speaker 2:I guess technically amateurs, they don't have to do it, yeah, Um, but I would say that's, that's probably the biggest the biggest difference. Yeah, You're. If an amateur comes in, you're in control of their development.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:On the pro level, you're just one prong on the bike, basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I can easily go tell a putting coach in our facility like hey, or a swing coach here's my suggestions and you can collaborate as a team. Yeah, doesn't mean that happens out here, yeah.
Speaker 1:A coach out here yeah, a coach out here might disagree with what you're saying totally and not want to even work with you yeah, and the collaboration between coaches, physios, trainers, putting coaches short game coaches, mental coaches, is not always uh, amazing no for the best players in the world, and that's why sometimes Because being out here and seeing it, we can beat the tour level experience at UGP, because the whole team is in the same place, under the same roof, like literally collaborating in front of you, and that's kind of what's so, I think, unique about ugp and I remember we would always say like a you know, ugp is a tour level experience, right, but being out here for now, you know three years and seeing it, I think a lot of the times it can be better in terms of how the pieces work together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, because the teams out here they're all individuals and they're not necessarily incentivized to work together in the same way, right, so they're like, and they're pretty strong-willed usually and have their own opinions, and so it's important for a player to create a real, you know, a really good team around them out here. Yeah, that works well together, because if you have disagreements, like usually, it doesn't end up working very well no, and teams out here change pretty quickly too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or can change pretty quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, tour players are extremely sensitive to performance, which is understandable, but it's pretty extreme.
Speaker 2:That would be the other difference, yeah, but it's pretty extreme, that would be the other difference. Yeah, if the 18 handicap goes out and still shoots 18, you can look at the physical body and say, all right, you probably need some improvement here. Still, you need some more time. But if a pro goes out and starts playing poorly, you're under that microscope a lot differently than you would be with an amateur in our facility.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stakes are higher, expectations are a lot higher.
Speaker 2:These are the best players in the world. They expect to be better, a lot quicker than an amateur would.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then and then. Obviously, you know coaches have an even tougher I would say even tougher time because their performance is directly measured. You know, on our side it can't be directly measured right, because there's too many variables, so basically only measured the wrong way, which is kind of a tough one, right? If someone is hurting or in pain, that's when you know the focus is put on you, but when the player is feeling great, it's like oh normal.
Speaker 2:So it's not an easy going career necessarily no, it can be stressful, but I I wouldn't want to be doing anything else yeah like it's that it has me waking up every day excited because it's something new, it's something challenging. Every day I like to keep pushing myself and growing that part of me how can I continue to get better? Being out here has allowed me to challenge myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Is there anything that you've learned out here in the last three years? That's? That's like you've changed your mind, or something technical in the work could be training or or on the recovery side.
Speaker 2:Hmm, since being out here, I don't I'm sure there has I'm not good with. Uh, I'm very present with the stuff I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean one thing that's very like uh is like the players how they look at fitness, how they look at recovery, what they prioritize, what they like. Uh tournament week, like some people, likes to train so don't want to train. I thought you meant more technical yeah, um, I I didn't mean more technical.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing that I quickly learned I I my first couple months out here, I had all this, this plan of micro dosing, fitness and you're gonna there's so many things that we can work on. All the players need to be moving in three dimensions and and all this joint mobility, and I had all these things in mind. And then you get out here and you're like, no, I don't want to do that. What do you mean? You need to move your T spine? No, it makes me feel like I'm coming over the top. Oh, okay, and then how, how I don't want to say superstitious, but how intentional these players are with their swing and how important it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was the biggest shock that I had. That's another difference between the amateur. You can throw anything at an AM for the most part and they'll try it out yeah, and they're still probably going to swing the way they were. But if you do something very intentional with a pro that messes up the feel that they might have for years, yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to cross that line. Yeah, it's the money maker. Yeah, that's the. It's the moneymaker. Yeah, that's the hard part. And you create a plan for an off week where they have time to recommit to the new exercise and how it affects their performance. The window of opportunity is a little wider than during a tournament week. Window of opportunity is a little wider than during a tournament week. Yeah, so it's almost like players have two different timeframes during their year. It's an on week and an off week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's a. It's an interesting schedule because basically most players play half of the weeks of the year, right, so roughly like 26 weeks of the year they're, yeah, playing, and 26 weeks of the year they're home or somewhere else, and so it is hard to be traveling with them and then, if you're not with them at home, you're essentially just seeing them 50 percent of the time, right, and that's where you know some players have, you know, a physio and a trainer on the road and a physio and a trainer at home yeah so they can have multiple professionals in the same position on the road and at home, because obviously, you know, not all physios live where the player lives a lot of times it's the same um, it's usually the same trainer yeah that comes out trainers by the way, like trainers are rare out here yeah, it's definitely less, way less than
Speaker 1:way less um, which is kind of interesting. You would think that that would have, you know, been evolved more, and that's a big part of our focus is that we wanted to always be both. We always provide both fitness and recovery, whereas a lot of physios they just do physio out here another.
Speaker 2:Another point to the to the experience is if two of us are out with five players or more, we are able to be with that player in the trailer doing fitness with them, yeah. But if it's just one of us with seven players, you're tethered to that table and you can't move yeah, and in our opinion, that experience for the player decreases.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and obviously in our, our philosophy too, is that you know, player gets better and stronger in the gym, um, and so that needs to be a big, big piece on the physical side. Uh, whereas I think a lot of the focus is put on just kind of maintaining out here, just making sure you know you don't get injured yeah so therefore, you know, most of the players are on the table.
Speaker 2:A lot yeah, there's a lot of guys on the table. I would say year three in comparison to year one. Maybe I just don't notice it as much, or I notice it more, yeah, that there seems to be more guys working out than there was the first year yeah I don't know if how to explain that, but you're seeing it more like men. Men, we go in three days a week sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, you got a load of tissues Otherwise we won't change, okay, so let's switch it up a little bit. Let's talk a little bit about, um, the experience out here, you know, getting to know the players. You, you've gone to a Ryder cup, a president's cup, right, one of each. One of each so far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of each Olymp the Olympics and the Olympics yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is just insane.
Speaker 2:It is I. Sometimes I don't feel like it's I've. I'm worthy of doing that Like I pinched myself, but um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty amazing. It's sending the U the USA.
Speaker 2:It was. It was a fantastic experience, Something that I will never forget.
Speaker 1:What's the Olympics to peak?
Speaker 2:It's different. As a kid, I always watched the Olympics. You see the rings, rings. You see the competitors, the athletes. So it was, I think it has to be yeah, even though it just felt like another stroke play tournament in a way. That's right, because they were so far away from paris where everything was held yeah and the only thing different were all the whole team was wearing the same clothing in a way, but you know you're representing your country, so it's yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, to think that our brand was out supporting an Olympian was just it's pretty surreal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it is. Uh, it is just, it's pretty surreal. Yeah, yeah, it is actually, and obviously you were in Italy, so I guess that experience was great, but obviously lost to a better team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, while he smiles over there.
Speaker 1:But then obviously you got a big win in canada. That must have been pretty exciting yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was. It's amazing to be part of the group of people that are in those events yeah it's you go from individualized players and the sport to get in a team atmosphere where everyone's rooting for the, for the same goal. Um, for the president's cup, jim Furyk, I think, did an amazing job of including everybody. Um, not that the Ryder cup wasn't we were all included, but sometimes the the physios are just the support, the coaches are just the support. Um, in those events, the wives are, are, are a big part of it they.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if you're, it was even more inclusive huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he had conversations with support staff and coaches the same as he would do with players wow, that's pretty cool yeah I heard he was amazing it was amazing. Yeah, I've only been on in two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but there was just something about the way he he structured it because in italy for the writer cup, it was also like extremely hectic schedule, right, like you could barely see, colin it was uh, yeah, yeah, he had team photos and dinners, and the other problem was we were so far from the golf course.
Speaker 2:I guess technically both of them we were, but president's cup. We all got on the same bus and then everyone drove in together so it felt more like a team. Yeah yeah, even though Ryder the Ryder cup experience, you still felt like a team. You're in the same locker room, but you got in a car with Colin JJ and you drove to the course and you only showed up for your tea time. So Xander, still at home.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Patrick's still at home. Brooks is at the course on the range, but you weren't getting the eat everyone eating breakfast together everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's super important. Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting detail that I didn't know, because that's like huge, it wasn't felt.
Speaker 2:it wasn't felt. Someone brought it up to Jim for president's cup. I believe that was the story and it's not something that I really noticed until you got to president's cup and I was like man, this feels different. And then, reflecting back at the writer cup, you go oh, okay, now, now I see the difference, or you can feel the difference.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the role of a captain and it's so important. I think it's an underrated. I think it's like it's not just about the skills that they have and just getting them out on the course. And, yeah, the algorithm, yeah, it's a lot about the team atmosphere and how much they want to play for each other and, um, what the culture is in that team.
Speaker 1:So that's cool to hear that that was done so well at the president's cup yeah um, I could tell too sometimes that some of those american players you have stronger rapport with them now yeah, I do right, yeah like sam burns and some of the other guys zander you can tell like you've spent more high quality time with them it fit.
Speaker 2:This might be a bad analogy, but you feel like you've been to war with somebody. Yeah, and it's just. You become a little more friendlier once you've done things like that together. Yeah, like I didn't hit a shot or anything, I was just yeah, yeah. They're working on one player, but that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:So who's the um? Who's the funniest player on tour?
Speaker 2:Xander by far.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He just, he just loves to pick on people, but does it with a smile and then laughs and then you're like, okay, he's just joking around, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's also very. I feel like he's very present and um very compassionate too. Very nice. Like um remembers your name, says hi.
Speaker 2:So Dana came to the Ryder cup and he was coming out of an elevator and she was there and I said, hey, xander, this is my wife, dana yeah he talked to her a couple minutes, yeah, went our separate ways. Yeah, six months later, him and I were just, I don't know, at lunch or something, and he was hey, how's? How's your son Locker?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he remembered my wife's name and he did not have to remember.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's pretty impressive. It's very impressive actually, and because, you know, not every player is like that, that's for sure. And Scott is another one that actually remembers, remembers names and feels like he's taking his time yeah, I walked.
Speaker 2:Uh, it was my first time walking a practice round with colin waste management. First year he was playing with zander. Zander walked up to me hey how you doing, what's your name, yeah and talked to me for like 30 minutes for a couple of holes, and it wasn't just like, hey, I'm gonna go talk to Colin's guy. He was very compassionate about actually getting to know me and it wasn't just a facade he was putting on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so Sander gets both the nicest guy on tour and the funniest.
Speaker 2:Probably Nicest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay, so sander gets both the nicest guy on tour and the funniest probably nicest, yeah. Yeah, I'll put in a vote for alex noren. Yeah, we haven't seen him a lot, but he's like one of the nicest guys I think I've ever met um, there's a lot of nice.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of nice guys there is yeah russell henley um, yeah, there is a lot of nice guys. I mean they're, they're just regular people yeah at the end of the day, they're just except tiger woods oh man tiger was not a regular. Were you in?
Speaker 2:the trailer, that one, I feel like you and I were in the trailer when he walked in it. It ripped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, my gosh, that was the first time remember we had never really yeah yeah, talk about a presence.
Speaker 2:It was like moses parting the sea. Yeah, players just scooted to the side. He walked down the center of this trailer to put his shoes on and start warming up for his round yeah, no, I think it was.
Speaker 1:Uh, maybe 2023. Rib and um tiger is never really get goes in the trailer. I think historically he's not gone in the trailer much yeah, I, I don't actually remember ever seeing him again yeah, other than here other than, yeah, augusta's gym.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but never in the trailer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he would do work at you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Colby would always go to his house, His house yeah, but yeah, I remember that it was like Terminator. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like Terminator and at the time he had bugged up too. He was massive and I think wasn't Rory in, and at the time he had he'd bugged up to his massive yeah, Uh, and I think it wasn't Rory in the trailer, I think. I don't remember I remember, rory, even be like you know, not obviously saying anything, but just not. A lot of people will create that. No, not a word was spoken to energy or like, especially when he walks like terminator.
Speaker 2:Obviously nobody's gonna be like hey tiger yeah, he was, he was, he was in the zone when he walked in that trailer yeah, yeah, not even jt would say hi no um, but it's, it's very grateful to be out here, even having this conversation. Never in a million years would I have thought I'd be in this position, or even our company be in the position to where we're talking about who's the nicest guy on tour. Because we have. We have those connections now, which is no I feel.
Speaker 1:I always feel like uh, I always feel like. I don't belong and um, I guess it's that uh, that, um, but that's also kind of what keeps it going, you know yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I've never learned enough.
Speaker 1:I've, I need to know more yeah never good enough yeah, the um imposter syndrome is pretty strong, I think still, at least for me, just um and uh, obviously now I don't work as much directly with the players. I travel to maybe 10 tournaments a year and um, still in it with uh, with the team here, but, um, now there's a structure and now we're growing it. It's, it's exciting, um, but yeah, it is. It is very surreal, uh, especially on weeks like this where you know there's so much history and, uh, these guys are, a lot of them are are going to be in the history books. Yeah, some of the greatest players of all time, and uh, and we, we kind of got to know them a little bit, which is cool, and hopefully, obviously, colin becomes one of those players. Oh, he will. Uh, he's on his way already. Um, all right, well, anything else you want to say before we finish? I?
Speaker 2:don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think I'm what do you see? What's the future for you to be tour? What do you see in the next three years?
Speaker 2:three years.
Speaker 1:Well, I know we're gonna we're going to need a third therapist of some sort yeah, so you can go to ugpcareerscom and apply um, but you got to go through the process first. Yeah, being part of team UGP in a location.
Speaker 2:I think the most difficult part is having someone that has gone through the same process that we have Maybe not the exact same one. Like you've always said, it's our job to make the next guy's job easier. Yeah, so, um, but someone who understands what we do at a facility level, because once you come out here it's you don't have the four walls of the of the brand to hold you accountable, so you have to have some love for the brand and and understand what it's about to to keep to keep you taken the right way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause you can find yourself being lost out here and and have the, the wrong current. Take you away. Self-accountability becomes a whole different animal right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is hard. I mean, that's what I feel like both you, me and Manny struggle with on our own. I struggle with that at least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same with on our own. I I struggle with that at least. Yeah same. It's like never gonna, at least for me personally. I'm never gonna have that high of expectation or that level of accountability put on myself by myself. Then, like being out here representing a team and with our you know now history with, with UGP, like it is a completely different um, dynamic and and feeling yeah, not wanting to let you down or Corey down, or Mac down, or Brian or Nate or anybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, most importantly, like the team.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I think that's what you know. Um, one of the reasons actually I want to do this, this, this conversation, is it's well overdue and hopefully we'll do more of them. But, um, you know what wanted everyone in our organization? Uh, to know what udp tour is yeah, um, towards, yeah, because that that feedback was. You know, that was important, because it is hard when it's not a location.
Speaker 2:It is, it is like a different business yeah, man, he said it's like we're behind, we're in the shadows, yeah, and no one really, really truly knows. But where I see it going is a third physio.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And what does that bring us to like 12 players?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we've talked about the ninth and 10th player. We add would have to be a third yeah, but potentially having just a trainer out there. The trainer does the warmups, the trainer does the workouts yeah, so there's someone always designated to the trailer, not necessarily tethered to a table.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that'll that'll help the experience out quite a bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know this might not be the three year, but we've always talked about having our own trailer out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was definitely Mac's original kind of idea when we first started. He's always five years ahead.
Speaker 2:It might not happen when he says it's going to happen, but it usually happens it usually happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might not happen when he says it's going to happen, but it usually happens. It usually happens, yeah, but yeah, we're learning a little bit about how much these trailers cost. And, like the logistical nightmare it is to, you have to have two of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Traveling on the east side of the country. Someone to drive them.
Speaker 1:Someone to drive them. They can't be there all week because it takes too long to get to the next one, so it's a it's a logistical challenge. But, yeah, yeah, team growing to three um more players, hopefully, um being added to the roster and it's cool to see like a little bit of a culture being created within the roster. Like the players, obviously some of them are close friends, but also some of them are getting to know each other now.
Speaker 2:Minwoo and Carl played junior golf together in Australia.
Speaker 1:But then kind of lost contact.
Speaker 2:Lost contact and then here they are, kind of rekindled their friendship on team UGP.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really cool. So, um, yeah, if you have any questions regarding ugp tour, still, please reach out instagram might be the easiest and, uh, let us know what, what questions you have and, uh, maybe ideas if you want to hear a future episode about this, what you want us to talk about. So, thank you for taking the time, ryan.
Speaker 2:Thanks for finally having me on, leo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it only took a couple of years.
Speaker 2:Love to do it again.